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hello and welcome back to the disclosure

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team youtube channel i am joined by the

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one and only chase klutzky

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thank you for joining me chase how are

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you today i'm really great and i'm

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looking forward to this and i have been

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for a couple weeks i guess and um thanks

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for having me it's my pleasure ah the

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pleasure is genuinely all mine i am like

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i just said off before we recorded um

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i've been following your work for many

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years now so this is a dream come true

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to actually sit down face to face with

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you and discuss your involvement in the

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ufo subjects so

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i think the first thing is to just sort

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of go back a little bit into your

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history because i believe you're a

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former department of defense um and a

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private investigator so

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if you could just take us right back and

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and and how your career sort of got that

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to that position

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yeah working for the dod i was a master

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trainer master instructor and really

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develop programs for

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active duty guides for force readiness

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is what it was so they get a special

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assignment and i would design a program

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to make them physically mentally and

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emotionally um ready for success like

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they had to finish his mission so that's

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what i did for them

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i never worked as a private investigator

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but i did school and pass so i was

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licensed but i never worked what i did

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was the training because

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you know being an investigator i wanted

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as much knowledge on you know what what

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you do what you don't do as possible and

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um it's always been important to me to

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kind of get the best i can and

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i wasn't a cop

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really there's not a lot of classes on

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you know picking up forensics there's

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forensics on how to process it

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you know and analyze but there's not a

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lot on that so that's why i took just

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private investigations i took the um

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it's an international forensic

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collection uh certification it's not a

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college course for anything it's just

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you know kind of online but you know it

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taught me a lot and so that's how i got

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those too that's incredible and i i love

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the fact that you didn't go into that

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work but you just wanted the knowledge

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base i think that's that's amazing so

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yeah my hat's off to you for that um so

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during that time

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we're working with the dod was there any

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thing you came across ufo related even

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back then

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no and you know my husband's former

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active duty right he retired as a navy

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commander and i would ask him all the

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time it's like aren't you hearing

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anything aren't you seeing anything

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because he's a submariner so that's even

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more exciting right yeah and he's like

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nope never have nope never happened i'm

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just like oh you know it's kind of a

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an interesting relationship because um

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submarines is a silent service like

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he'll i i didn't know 90 of what he did

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and of course for plausible deniability

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some of the stuff that i would do even

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go against the government i didn't tell

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him so he come home from working people

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how was your day it was great ran into

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an old ship mate how was yours really

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good that you know interviewed a couple

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that's amazing

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but hey it worked

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33 years later he's still the hottest

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guy in the room to me oh i love that i

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love that so much that's brilliant so

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let's bring it forward a little bit to

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1996 um and you joining the mutual ufo

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network mufon can you talk about how

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that came about and actually let me just

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preface that with

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did you already have this big passion

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for ufos was it something you were

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always intrigued by

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absolutely um i was 17 years old i'm

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home you know from school with strep

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throat and my stepmother came in and

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handed me a book

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and it was chariots of the gods and

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just the title i was like i read and did

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no church book because very churchy

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after a while i just got bored i picked

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it up i you know opened up and i'm like

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who asked questions like this this is

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the coolest thing i've ever read i you

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know a status quo you know my religion

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um i'm open on everything it's you know

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i'm mormon so

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you don't ask questions like this i mean

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it was full permission it was like oh

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it's on now i love this and it was ever

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since then so from 16

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but um i found out about mufon because

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you know i'm old and grumpy and my first

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my first

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computer i was 36 years old and the

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first thing i absolutely did was type in

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ufos i was shocked at how much was there

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and then i ran across mufon and i

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thought that was just the coolest thing

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ever that you could join an organization

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and get handed cases like you didn't

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have to promote yourself

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you know like on facebook you know

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they're all like this you know it's like

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and so what was the kind of entry level

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that you went in at because obviously

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you did work your way right up

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yeah uh it was just field investigator

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which is the most important position in

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bouffant and

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um

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because you're not a volunteer you pay

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to do this you know you pay to be a

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mufon so

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you know i i loved it for a while um

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then an opportunity came up which was

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um they needed a new start team manager

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after

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lang and bigelow and that whole thing

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imploded and so they asked if anybody

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was interested just give one piece of

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paper on your qualifications why do you

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think you'd be a good one so i sent mine

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in didn't think i had a chance in hades

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okay

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and all of a sudden one sunday morning i

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got a a phone call and it was from

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um the doi at the time and he said

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he's like my husband answered he goes

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can i speak to chase and yep hold on i

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get on the phone and he's i'm like hello

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is this chase i'm like yes it is

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and he kind of stumbled for a bit and

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then he says oh my gosh i'm you know i'm

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chuck

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and i'm calling to offer you the star

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team manager job and we loved your

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resume it was perfect he said but pardon

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me for stumbling a bit because the one

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thing i guess we didn't know is you were

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it's my name right and i didn't put on

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i'm female i've talked about what i did

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with homeland security talk about what i

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did with this and

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then she went out and he said and i love

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this this is even better even better

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than finding a new star team manager

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you're female he loved it

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and i thought that was pretty cool

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because that was the first time like i

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didn't get it because they needed a

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female position or

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sorry it was strictly on it was strictly

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on my creds nice

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that's incredible i love that

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i think it's a bonus that you're a

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female as well because

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yeah i see a lot of the work for some of

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the females in the ufo subjects right

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now and they just don't take no bull

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like the us blokes we just seem to be

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arguing and all this where's all these

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new what i mean yourself being being in

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the subject for a while but all these

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new females coming in and they're really

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taking over and it's such a breath of

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fresh air they they put us guys in check

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that's for sure so i um

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it's funny because i think i embrace it

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more now but i never identified as a

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female because these good old boys like

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you know i came in old school now

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there's like manners and there's certain

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things that you know people stick up for

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one another and we're supporting each

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other and back in the days

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let me tell you these boys did

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everything they could to get rid of

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linden won't how i mean they put us

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through hell i'm telling you even just

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recently um they have no shame about

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trying to

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shred you into pieces and it's happened

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several times and i'm just like you said

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i don't work with people like that i

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don't associate with people like that i

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don't know who would want to

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even support somebody that all they do

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is tear down others and

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so my revenge on that is hey guys when

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your phone's not ringing it's me

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i love it i love it i mean mufon did

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have that um that whole old guard

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bit of a stereotypical older white

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gentleman kind of vibe to it back then

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meeting like a buffon meeting looks like

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bingo knighted it all folks

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[Laughter]

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oh dear that's funny um but listen it

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didn't hold you back it certainly didn't

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stop you in the work you were doing

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because you went through the ranks and i

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think what was it uh

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where are we now because you

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talk us through the promotion things

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because you got right up there to

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director of investigations

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yeah well i actually quit for a while

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it's like um star team manager um i

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found you know some some little

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hanky-panky going on in the cms and you

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know there was this little group of guys

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that would go in and steal all the good

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cases all the see you know they decided

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they needed to run that well when i

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caught them doing that it's that's

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the worst thing you can do like you're

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robbing the witnesses you're doing this

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so i quit in protest because nobody's

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gonna do anything about it because

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they're the good old boys

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so i quit it was i don't know maybe six

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years later

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jan harzan's at a con a conference i'm

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speaking at and like i don't even want

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to look at the guy right i'm just like

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no no no like you know because you know

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you have a bad taste in your mouth for

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people that don't stand up for the truth

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and so he came and asked me if i wanted

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to go to lunch and i'm just like

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what

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okay

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just like it's so it's so random it's

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like all right i'll listen to what you

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have to say

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we sit down he orders a thing of french

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fries he's like let's share these french

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fries and i'm like

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a little bizarre but okay i'll eat

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french fry

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it was just it was so awkward at first

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and then he literally looked at me and

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said what do we need what do i need to

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do to get you back and move on

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and i said

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i was start team manager i wrote all the

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protocols all the deployment policies i

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wrote everything uh you know so standard

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operation procedures all of it and i

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said i want my own team and i want it to

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be advanced team and i want us to be

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funded to deploy

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and he just kind of looked at me because

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it was like oh

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look you're asking for something i'm

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just you this is gonna be this is gonna

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be big and move on but he gave it to me

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and he called special assignment team

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and i recruited 12 of the best

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researchers even a journalist um and

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investigators in mufon and we handled um

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only the most complicated sensitive and

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confidential cases in bouffant so i ran

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that team and then um

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you know i needed to shake up doi a

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little bit and so i was offered that

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position so i was number two and move on

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it was like

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wow

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yeah that is impressive and i like your

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veracity and

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going straight straight for the top when

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given the opportunity that's incredible

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so um

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so you became director of investigations

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in 2018

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and and how long did that last for

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before you

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you know resigned your position to

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pursue nothing it was a little over a

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year and i have to tell you you know

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when you say the females aren't taking

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any guff

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if you set rules in black and white

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and only they apply to certain people

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that they have been fired before but

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these group of guys can do whatever they

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want it's like i didn't play i fired

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them i'm just like like horrible things

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not just you know like racist things and

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you know wow oh yeah like horrible

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things that we're just not going to put

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up with and move on well that was my job

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and they didn't like it these go man

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like they put up the most horrible lies

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on websites it was wow

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yeah it was horrible yeah these guys

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it's just crazy but

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i'm sure they're back into mufon because

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that's what they do and it's so

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unfortunate because there's so many

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great people to move on they really are

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they're very sincere talented um and

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they're doing a good job it's the only

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reason they're still in existence by the

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way um you know that old that old guard

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up at the board of directors and you

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know the same old

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you know

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it's just scandal after scandal after

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scared yeah absolutely and i mean

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right yeah i mean for myself personally

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and a lot of people i speak to in the

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field that there is a black cloud

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hanging over mufon to this day

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and i guess they've done it to

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themselves and and like you say i'm sure

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there are a lot of good people working

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for them but unfortunately they are just

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pushed under this this same black cloud

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as the people at the top which is a

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shame but yeah it is it deserves they do

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it they deserve it because um honestly

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i won't work with people like that i

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just you know number two my ego could

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have been like yeah but i'm number two

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in this organization i'm just like no

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one cares about that i care about

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working with people that you know our

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organization that's actually going to do

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what they say they're going to do and

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when they don't and this kind of

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behavior is tolerated you know just like

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john ventry everyone knew he was a

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racist like well they tolerated it for

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so long until everybody including me

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this ends now i mean it's just yeah

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but i do i kind of feel bad for the good

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ones that are still there because

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you know they just need it and i didn't

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no of course so upon your regular

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resignation what was the first

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i mean were you

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aware and clear of where you then wanted

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to go or is it a bit like oh what do i

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do now kind of thing how did you feel

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oh no i i was well established like

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going back into move on like i already

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had like cases i'd done starchild you

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know i was already on the conference

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circuit which um i didn't see coming

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because to me it's kind of it's it's why

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i accepted no conference in invitations

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this year because it's a gerbil wheel

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it's you know i reach into the choir and

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it's like i don't have anything really

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new to bring because everything i'm

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doing is in support of the politics and

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luella zondo and chris and you know just

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really pushing out some of these

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activist type and setting up meetings

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you know so this is what i do now but um

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yeah i just nope i never just you know

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kind of felt like what do i do now it's

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like all right what's next nice i like

394
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that so if we could just talk about a

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couple of your investigations that you

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have done um like you just said the star

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child skull something i've followed for

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for many years so can you

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break down

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what actually became of that case

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because i know the skull was passed

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around or it wasn't you know it was

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just

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i felt like there were some years where

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everyone was waiting for the answers so

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could you just break that down as you

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know as broadly as you want or as a yeah

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yeah um we i was speaking at a

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conference it was international ufo

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congress and um i'm talking about why we

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need to up our game why we need to have

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um

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admissibility and that comes in

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forensics and proper handling of

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evidence and you know blah blah blah

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blah at the end um people came up for

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questions and this lady came up her name

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was melanie young and she's like so

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you really want evidence physical

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evidence how about some dna because i

421
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have it for you and i and she goes i

422
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have i have everything you're going to

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need for you know your forensics and so

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she's like if you'll take the case i had

425
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no idea what she was talking about at

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the time

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and but i did say hey somebody please

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duct tape her to the stage so i don't

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miss her later

430
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yeah so

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it was um jacques filet was there at the

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time and so she had invited me and

433
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chocolate to come up and um look at the

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starchild skull and it was first time

435
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i'm holding it and i was just there's a

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magic about this little skull and

437
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you know i got a little choked up seeing

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it because you know my mom i'm a

439
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grandmom and it's just here's this

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little tiny skull

441
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and

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yeah it was a little crazy it was all

443
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crazy so

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um i i agreed to go ahead and do the dna

445
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and uh just really work a lot of sources

446
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i backtracked on you know what um

447
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the previous guy had done and and also

448
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gary nolan was involved in the starchild

449
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skull as well so i just did i just put

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all that aside it's kind of like

451
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i'm going to start new i'm at fresh eyes

452
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just like cold case you know fresh eyes

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something new and so i took the dna and

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then i sent it to the lab up in canada

455
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that specializes in ancient dna

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right

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so it's expensive it took a little bit

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but um we got back that it was

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completely human and so at this point

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it's

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i've got about 10 000 people really mad

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at me because this star child skull had

463
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quite the following and they made about

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you know 15 20 000 dollars a year

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in donations to you know this little

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board that they had

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and but then

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i talked to gary nolan and we have the

469
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exact same results so it's matching so

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now we have um providence now we have

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you know

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it's done guys it's it's human well that

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wasn't good enough because this little

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skull has been

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on a plaque

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it's been on display it's had a hat and

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a cigarette taken out of it and i'm like

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you know what

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so

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carrie mcclure who was my partner

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through all of this um

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actually

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you know did the study on the background

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and and we found out the haplo group

485
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which is really easy now in dna and um

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and melanie

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and carrie and i with the help of reuben

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yuriate um

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uh repatriated his remains to where it

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came from which was by the copper canyon

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and this this little guy is now with you

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know at least remnants of relatives that

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he had before so

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um

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the interesting thing is the female

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skull that was found with the star child

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skull

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um

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actually was more intriguing to the

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doctors because i went to every i went

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to osteology museums bone specialists

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they they were all

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more

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intrigued with her because

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all the skull fractures and how she

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looked through all these golf and it's

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like they were it really made me sad

508
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because she was obviously beaten a lot

509
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so

510
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it's uh yeah it's just a sad story all

511
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the way around and but they're

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repatriated right now and sitting in the

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little museum that has you know their

514
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little haplogroup you know tools that

515
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they use and pottery and this so that's

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the best we could do to this little guy

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and it's actually illegal

518
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because when we found out he was native

519
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that's illegal man you you don't want to

520
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mess with the indian bureau of indian

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affairs out of dc and i call them

522
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because it's illegal to display

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transport or exploit anything like that

524
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so the minute i found that out it was

525
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like um okay so we're not no more trap

526
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like you know and it's respect yeah

527
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minute we found that out so when it was

528
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possibly alien or half alien but i was

529
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disappointed too right i've been doing

530
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this for century centuries

531
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i've been doing this for decades and

532
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honestly

533
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i wanted an alien i wanted a hybrid of

534
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course i did but it is what it is but

535
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everybody could go look at my report

536
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what we did um i talk about i don't keep

537
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my sources secret um i i tell you the

538
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lab who the technician was so everybody

539
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can vet what what we had done

540
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and that work i did with kerry is on a

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website called the field reports within

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s dot com and i've got several

543
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several uh cases there

544
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:50,160
well any of the links that we mentioned

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today um if there's some that i haven't

546
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:54,559
got i will ask you for them you can send

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me i will put them all in the video

548
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description below obviously i've got

549
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your website chaseklitsky.com that will

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be below as well um just so everyone can

551
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,240
go and look into all the things that we

552
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,080
talk about but one last thing i'll say

553
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,480
about the chart star child skull is that

554
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:10,240
yes it was exciting and we all wanted it

555
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,640
to be alien but at least we finally got

556
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:15,360
the answers so kudos to you and your

557
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:17,200
team

558
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:18,880
putting it to rest

559
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:21,200
yeah and and you know i i think a lot of

560
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:22,960
it too was you know

561
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:25,360
it's exploited and

562
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:26,880
the minute

563
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:28,880
it was verified i don't want to say i

564
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,880
felt like i verified

565
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,400
nolan's

566
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,799
dna results yeah uh once that was done

567
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:36,400
it's like you know the money kind of

568
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,039
dried up people were you know they they

569
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,520
wanted to argue all day about you did

570
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:43,440
what about this and what about that i

571
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:45,440
mean we even had electron microscopic

572
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:47,600
work done because they talked about the

573
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,400
rebar

574
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:50,400
in the

575
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:53,840
turned out to be dust particles and

576
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:56,960
yeah and debris and and that makes sense

577
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,120
to me because

578
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,960
you know he's been in a box it's been

579
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,640
you know it's been cleaned it's been

580
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:04,799
bleached it's been you know and so all

581
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,480
this that's particle it's been lacquered

582
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,080
the lacquer is what i was told the lack

583
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,159
of all that dust that was already on it

584
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:14,000
you know it's like in the little pores

585
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:15,919
of the skull and that's what it was and

586
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,919
they even extracted this and proved it

587
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,360
was dust so

588
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:21,440
you know there's no rebar you know all

589
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,840
the stuff that was being said um

590
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:25,760
so

591
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:27,919
i finalize everything i'm not gonna talk

592
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,159
about my personal opinion on what i felt

593
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:32,559
was going on all these years with the

594
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:34,159
start out skull

595
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:36,640
but my personal thought is

596
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,000
loy pie said many times his biggest

597
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,480
dream was to have real scientists and

598
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:44,799
real studies on the starch house skull

599
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:47,120
and that's what we did there you go

600
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,400
that's that's i think that's all

601
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,400
everyone wanted like i said i followed

602
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,400
that case for many years

603
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,960
and it just seemed to be dragging and

604
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:57,200
passed here and passed there or not

605
00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:00,159
nothing done on it and

606
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,600
it doesn't matter that it didn't turn

607
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,520
out to be alien it just got put to bed

608
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,000
and the respect can be given to

609
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,880
everyone involved and then

610
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,559
like you say the

611
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:12,880
the remains can be placed where they

612
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,440
should be and the respect given to

613
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,360
all involved

614
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,440
this little five-year-old

615
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:21,760
baby you know and it's like it's over

616
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,080
your your nightmare is over and you can

617
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,480
rest that's it yeah yeah

618
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,400
so let's move on there's one case that i

619
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,760
saw on your website that really

620
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:31,679
intrigued me and this is about the dna

621
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:35,120
filled metallic spheres

622
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,080
yes oh my gosh so this was something

623
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:40,799
that they're finding in like india and

624
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,840
there's professors that you know they've

625
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,080
doing this little experiment and it's up

626
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,919
in the atmosphere and these little trays

627
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,679
were supposed to catch whatever dust or

628
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:51,039
whatever is in the atmosphere up there

629
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,840
and they're going to study them

630
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,360
they come back and they're finding these

631
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,760
little microscopic tiny little spheres

632
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:59,440
these like little and they're metal

633
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:00,720
they're metal

634
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,440
when they open them up it had dna in it

635
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,760
and i was just stunned it was just like

636
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,080
come on like you know there's so much

637
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,840
mystery going on right now but because

638
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,320
it's through the professors um like in

639
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,000
india and things like that i don't have

640
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:16,799
access to any of the spheres but boy i

641
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,600
wish i did because i'd have those worked

642
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,840
on like the labs that you know i have

643
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,520
contact with and

644
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,080
you know and i was never afraid to

645
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,320
call a scientist you know it's kind of

646
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,880
like hey you guys like examine metal

647
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,200
right so electron microscope i got some

648
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,280
metal they never knew it was starch

649
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,360
house skull they didn't know anything

650
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,520
about what i had how much is it going to

651
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:41,200
cost me for you to do this and that's

652
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,799
what we did so

653
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:45,120
i think if you approach

654
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,559
people including

655
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:49,200
congress and our lawmakers if you

656
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,200
approach them with the right terminology

657
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,279
and you know don't say hey we need to

658
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:55,120
know the truth about ufos and they're

659
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,720
going to look at you and say i don't

660
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,549
yeah so it's you know but yeah so that

661
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,960
was i love those fears though i wish i

662
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,720
could get one so bad

663
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:09,200
but no data ever came out of india or

664
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,400
anything like that or not not so much

665
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:14,559
and i think the last i heard

666
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,520
um they were peer reviewing some of the

667
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,240
results and that's going to take a long

668
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:22,080
time because there was a lot of process

669
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:23,360
and these guys are going to put their

670
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:26,320
name on you know something but yeah dna

671
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:27,600
inside

672
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:31,120
metallic balls microscopic that yeah we

673
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,400
could breathe

674
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:33,840
it's like

675
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,520
going on that's so unusual and so far

676
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,360
out there i mean that in itself to me

677
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,799
sounds like something out of a science

678
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:42,960
movie a science fiction novel or movie

679
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,080
um it's absolutely incredible

680
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,039
lovely thank you so much and one

681
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,200
case or investigation that really stood

682
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,440
out to me is something that people still

683
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:55,200
ask me about personally to this day are

684
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:56,720
what are your thoughts

685
00:25:01,029 --> 00:25:00,159
on the malibu underwater base

686
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:01,039
i

687
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,159
was on a research vessel for three days

688
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,240
um with rob lowe because i couldn't

689
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,440
afford that and um yeah you can read

690
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,200
that whole report it's on my website but

691
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:15,600
it's also on the fieldreports.com

692
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:16,720
and

693
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,159
yeah we had a whole great big um rover

694
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,159
that went down it was the mohawk two it

695
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,159
was the same one that steven spielberg

696
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:26,559
used to find the titanic it was even the

697
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,960
same crew um i was in the dry lab

698
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,720
which meant they were in the water or

699
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,720
pulling it out you know but i'm in there

700
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,440
just looking at all the video and we we

701
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,760
took video we had side scanning radar

702
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:41,919
all this stuff was going on and it's a

703
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,559
thrust fault there you know

704
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,720
it's a thrust fault so

705
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,960
we've heard that before and yeah the

706
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,279
images absolutely prove that but then i

707
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,279
i followed up on a couple other rumors

708
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,039
and that was i think i did the one thing

709
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,960
no one else thought of yet i called

710
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,520
google i'm like hey can i talk to you

711
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,600
you know a person that's in charge of

712
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,279
you know the photography and you know

713
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,360
when i explained like this is a and then

714
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,360
they the guy and i put his name in the

715
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:10,080
report it's like he he actually says to

716
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,960
me

717
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:12,799
well they're not photographs like you

718
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,360
know most of this is a computer image no

719
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,919
i did not know that right i did not and

720
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,760
so um and then

721
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,240
they all talk about port magoo which is

722
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,159
right there it's yeah like this big army

723
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,640
base or whatever and i'm like wait a

724
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,799
minute guys like why are we not hearing

725
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,400
about port wianimi

726
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,039
thirty or fifty miles north

727
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,520
is port wynemi which is home of the

728
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,320
seabees oh it's home of underwater

729
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,279
construction seabees like come on he's

730
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,520
like how did you miss this so i called

731
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:44,960
him and i asked for the quarter deck and

732
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,320
the c uh cdo uh command duty officer is

733
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:50,240
what that's called he gets on the phone

734
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,520
i'll tell him i'm like yeah chase

735
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,480
klitsky and we're doing this

736
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,080
investigation i explained i was on a

737
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:56,240
research vessel and what information i

738
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:57,120
said

739
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:01,919
as underwater construction divers

740
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,880
do are you aware of any man-made

741
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:06,880
object or construction there and he goes

742
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,520
first of all no second of all we would

743
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,080
never build there it's

744
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,840
right in the thrust of is right in the

745
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:15,360
um uh

746
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,480
earthquake lines um and the fault lines

747
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,320
yes and thank you

748
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:21,919
yeah the fault lines and there's two of

749
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,720
them they intersect directly on that

750
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:26,799
spot so he's like no one in their right

751
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,520
mind would ever build anything there

752
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:30,960
it's not gonna last so why would you put

753
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,200
the money and i said well have you built

754
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,919
are you and your team responsible or

755
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:38,320
know of or have any knowledge of even in

756
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,520
a rumor

757
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:41,039
that

758
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,399
man-made construction and there are

759
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:46,080
underwater bases

760
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:50,480
outside of malibu and he's like

761
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,279
no

762
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,679
and i said how about anywhere

763
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,320
in the area from you know like down

764
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:57,840
there in tijuana

765
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,799
and up and he says no comment so

766
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,799
yeah so that was pretty cool yeah that

767
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,240
was really cool

768
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,520
it makes you think wow i like that yeah

769
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,120
it would make sense that they would have

770
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,679
something even if it was like storage or

771
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,279
whatever you know we know that we have

772
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,440
missiles and you know weapons from the

773
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:18,080
water that go to air and yeah you know

774
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,200
and so it's

775
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,600
it just makes sense but he i could tell

776
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,799
he was getting just a little

777
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:24,159
uncomfortable

778
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,360
towards the end of the call because i

779
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,880
was just pressing and pressing and

780
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:28,640
pressing and you know

781
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,070
yeah yeah absolutely but i think it's

782
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,559
interesting we get the ufo connection

783
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,799
with things happening around the area as

784
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,960
well off the coast of california and in

785
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:44,399
so many incidents

786
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,360
dating back decades and you know

787
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,440
it's so intriguing about that i should

788
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:51,840
call him back now that we have all this

789
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,399
information out yeah i think i might do

790
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,000
that make a follow-up call say hey we

791
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:58,320
talked a couple years ago and you know

792
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:01,039
now that a lot is coming out

793
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,080
there you go

794
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,760
call his bluff just say yeah someone

795
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,279
else told me about something i just

796
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,120
thought i'd double check with you

797
00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:09,200
yeah that would be so awesome

798
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:10,840
that'd be amazing

799
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,000
absolutely oh if anyone can do it chase

800
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,549
um

801
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,720
so let's move on because

802
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,320
one thing another thing i wanted to

803
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,120
discuss is your book with richard dolan

804
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,880
admissible

805
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,320
how did that come about i mean that's

806
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:30,799
incredible i i'll admit now i haven't

807
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,760
read it i'm sorry

808
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,240
it's it's a field guide basically on on

809
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:38,240
how to like my

810
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,600
what i've learned to do what i've

811
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:41,760
learned not to do and um you know i've

812
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,799
made mistakes too and it's really just

813
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:46,799
wanting to lay it all out i wrote the

814
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,279
protocols for you know star team and the

815
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,520
sat team special assignment team which

816
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,760
is our third year so that's tier three

817
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,399
in mufon it was these guys were advanced

818
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,240
and we weren't very like we weren't

819
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,240
liked very well because our first rule

820
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:02,240
in sat team was you don't talk about zap

821
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,760
team

822
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:05,440
talk about cases we don't talk about

823
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:08,240
anything because we we have to offer the

824
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,360
people that want to come out

825
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,520
confidentially yeah

826
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,200
a team that they know will keep their

827
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,600
mouth shut and and we did that so we

828
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,200
never talked about cases and of course

829
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,880
you know people are like uh you know

830
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,840
government

831
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:20,799
whatever

832
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:24,320
but um yeah i'm sorry what was a

833
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,440
we're just talking about the book with

834
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,240
dolan like how it came about and i mean

835
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,679
yeah i found it intriguing you know

836
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:33,520
the two of you came together put this

837
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,799
out there and

838
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,640
you know i mention it to people

839
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,000
that you worked with richard and they

840
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,159
have like i have no idea

841
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,320
it just seems to be that it's not

842
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:44,080
got the oomph that it

843
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:45,679
it should have

844
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,480
yeah i don't you know it's fit on it's

845
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,240
been there for a while i still get

846
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:52,960
royalty on it but um you know it's just

847
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:54,799
a guide on what to do and they're

848
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,080
they're big lessons learned like um i've

849
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:00,799
learned not to become friendly

850
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,519
with my witnesses because

851
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,600
they get a lot of attention

852
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,360
from us like we're working their case we

853
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:09,360
talk to them several times a day there's

854
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,799
you know all this stuff going on we need

855
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,200
permission for this um hey lab just

856
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:14,880
called and then all of a sudden when

857
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,440
it's over you go on to your next case

858
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,519
yeah and they feel very abandoned and

859
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,679
they feel hurt like you know you got

860
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,039
what you want and you left it's like

861
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,360
well i'm an investigator so

862
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:28,000
so i just learned that um i'd be there

863
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:29,440
working and they'd come down say hey

864
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,880
we're barbecuing come up and get a

865
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,200
burger and i'm like i can smell it i'm

866
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:35,039
starving and i go and have my granola

867
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,799
bar in my car

868
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,799
i just learned that you know

869
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,679
real

870
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,760
investigators such as police or

871
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,679
detectives they don't get friendly

872
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,960
either you know they don't go in the

873
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:46,399
house and they're like hey i got dinner

874
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,279
on you know in the middle of

875
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,919
investigation so i really that's when i

876
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:51,279
learned to

877
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,640
behave more like them than normal ufo

878
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,600
investigators and um so that was one

879
00:32:02,950 --> 00:31:59,840
lesson i learned another piece of advice

880
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,960
in the book is hey guys you know i know

881
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:05,440
it's cool to have like ufo hunter on

882
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:08,399
your car and all these big signs and you

883
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:09,200
know

884
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,799
stuff

885
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,440
but pulling up to that that house

886
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,200
maybe they don't want their neighbors to

887
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:19,919
know that they just called a ufo person

888
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,880
yeah so to have your car so it's just

889
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,240
you know it's just things that you know

890
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,039
i paid attention to and um

891
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,240
you know even doing the two-man rule um

892
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:31,840
there's been

893
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,720
one time i go it's just so stupid

894
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,720
looking back on it but

895
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:39,039
we me i have a girlfriend with me and

896
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,320
we're actually going somewhere else but

897
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,480
we're going through kentucky

898
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,159
and i had this guy that's been begging

899
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,600
me to come up and talk to him and he

900
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,519
wants to show me where a crash site was

901
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,279
so i decided to do a little detour do

902
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,919
that so i parked my car grabbed a few

903
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,519
you know tools and things and my

904
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:56,000
girlfriend and i are walking out there

905
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,440
and we're getting further and further in

906
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,679
the woods and i'm thinking

907
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:01,200
i don't know this guy like what am i

908
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,559
going to do

909
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,799
and it's like and even the two-man rule

910
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,960
isn't very smart because my girlfriend

911
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,120
if if this guy does anything or pulls

912
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,120
out a gun or even worse has more men

913
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,960
down there waiting

914
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,880
she just she just cry in peer pants

915
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,399
right

916
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,799
like yeah i would at least do a little

917
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:20,480
fighting but yeah

918
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,760
so you know you've already made a

919
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:23,600
mistake when he's walking in front of me

920
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,870
you're already you're already crossed

921
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:31,279
the line so nothing happened of course

922
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,480
um

923
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,320
however i did pull out my cell phone i'm

924
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,399
like oh wait wait i need i need a moment

925
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,720
i said my husband's tapping me and goes

926
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,159
oh you're getting a text i'm like oh no

927
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,159
he follows me you know he knows every

928
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,640
step i take he follows me on this app

929
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,240
and i just have to check in and tell him

930
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:48,000
i'm okay nice

931
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:49,519
you know

932
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,310
i was really getting nervous because

933
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,320
this guy was sketchy and

934
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,720
um and funny because after i said that

935
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,880
all of a sudden we were on the spot i

936
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,720
saw nothing there and he turned around

937
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:06,399
and we left so

938
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,440
i

939
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:10,159
have

940
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:13,760
um

941
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,760
but

942
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,000
it's more important to have somebody

943
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,879
with you that you can trust

944
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,399
you know so just little things like that

945
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,040
that i learned down the road and um and

946
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,040
it is a manual i do work close with

947
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:31,359
richard we've done a lot together and

948
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,560
you know we speak at a lot of

949
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,240
conferences together you know like i

950
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,040
said it seems to always be me nick pope

951
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,839
um richard dolan linda moulton howe it's

952
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:40,720
like

953
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,679
a lot of el alejandro rojas

954
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:45,839
it's just we were all on this for so

955
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,320
long and you know so we all became like

956
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,839
really good friends and you know

957
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,079
richard's been to my house you know for

958
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,960
a weekend and you know it's just yeah

959
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,879
it's you know we're

960
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,400
kind of that group like there's a new

961
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:00,079
group coming up that like the young guns

962
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,760
they call them

963
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,680
you need those connections like you know

964
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,359
that you can call at any time and they

965
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,839
pick up because you know that's what we

966
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:10,079
do so it's it's i like that the

967
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,440
connections are there and i'm starting

968
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,839
to see them build um with the younger

969
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,160
guys and i've never seen more younger

970
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,320
people getting interested than we do now

971
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:20,880
and i'm so thankful for that

972
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,480
and like right really smart people like

973
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:27,040
little christina gomez oh how far on

974
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,160
right

975
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,040
yeah she's incredible yeah and so and

976
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,880
all these podcasts yours included of

977
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:34,960
course and you know because i follow you

978
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,320
as well so thank you i do i love it i

979
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,160
think actually i remember the day you

980
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,839
followed me i'd actually i mean i've

981
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,680
been on instagram for some time but then

982
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,680
i joined twitter and i saw the

983
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:47,839
notification chase klutzky followed you

984
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,720
i freaked out i have to admit oh yeah

985
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,560
because you followed me when i was like

986
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,480
i barely had anyone i'd not done

987
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,400
anything and i was like oh my goodness

988
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,760
this is

989
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,440
and every time things like that happen

990
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,440
it really motivates me to keep pushing

991
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,520
in the right direction because it's like

992
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,280
like you're saying we've got the new new

993
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,960
guys and the

994
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,960
more experienced people but i think the

995
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,880
connection between both is just as

996
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,800
important you know because we can learn

997
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,920
from each other and you know i've

998
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,320
learned so much from you and richard and

999
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,160
everyone you just mentioned alejandro

1000
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,880
and that and i just yeah it's incredible

1001
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,800
so i'm honored to be in the presence of

1002
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:23,599
such

1003
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:28,320
phenomenal names in the subject um

1004
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,520
you know that we don't feel that way

1005
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,680
about ourselves right we don't i do i

1006
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:34,000
know that but at the same time

1007
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,680
it's like i just got done before i came

1008
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,599
on here cleaning my bathroom scrubbing

1009
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,200
my toilet

1010
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,720
i'm not special

1011
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,280
you know we just work but i appreciate

1012
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:46,000
it because it's cute but um you know i

1013
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,800
have

1014
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:48,800
just as much respect for you

1015
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,599
so

1016
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,680
yeah and it's and we need to do that we

1017
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,359
need to like

1018
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,119
hook each other up

1019
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:58,000
include each other in certain things and

1020
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,680
yeah it's like i get another big

1021
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,359
investigation which i've been doing more

1022
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,760
production lately um and a lot of that

1023
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,000
had to do with covid um can't go out

1024
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:08,240
can't do a lot of stuff outside so you

1025
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,200
know these

1026
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,680
tv shows would call and i just got done

1027
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:13,839
with season three of the proof is out

1028
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:15,920
there i just did roswell the final

1029
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,800
verdict ah incredible i loved that show

1030
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,640
actually can we touch upon that briefly

1031
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,400
because i get asked so many questions

1032
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:24,480
about or not even so much questions but

1033
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,359
people going well that ai system that

1034
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:28,960
they're talking about in that is just a

1035
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,520
ruse for tv to make it look legit but

1036
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,839
could you expand on that at all

1037
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:35,920
don't know much about it other than it

1038
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,839
is legit and it's actually the same

1039
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:39,920
technology they use for uh finding

1040
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,040
hitler or hunting hitler right yeah

1041
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:44,960
yeah it's it's they're just algorithms

1042
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,599
going and they do this thing with like

1043
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,760
homeland security everybody uses it and

1044
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,839
that's that facial recognition and

1045
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,079
facial like little twi twitches and

1046
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,440
things that you do

1047
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,359
so they'll look at a person through an

1048
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,079
entire interview yeah and there's

1049
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,800
certain catches or tells as they call it

1050
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,560
but um i don't know much about the math

1051
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,160
or whatever but it is legit it's

1052
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,960
absolutely legit um

1053
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,720
i i like doing that show i hope we get

1054
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:12,320
to do something like that again with the

1055
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:15,920
other big i love that however i am in a

1056
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,200
youtube or no a netflix documentary that

1057
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,119
is the worst thing i've ever seen it's

1058
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,440
absolutely horrible it's like

1059
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,920
what's it unveiling secret ufos whatever

1060
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,320
but is the one that came out recently

1061
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,000
yes yes

1062
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:31,920
and at the end they call me a

1063
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,320
investigative journalist i'm like what

1064
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,560
are you guys doing with this like you

1065
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,880
know they edited a lot of what all of us

1066
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:40,640
said well i'm like i know richard didn't

1067
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,599
say that like that like yeah anyway it's

1068
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:46,079
horrible i'm so embarrassed is this the

1069
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,599
one that was

1070
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:50,000
i might be wrong were they hungarian

1071
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,200
journalists who were meant to do a

1072
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:53,040
documentary it turned into a netflix

1073
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,480
series and i think

1074
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,359
it seems like they duped everybody yes

1075
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,400
they did yes they did and um

1076
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,400
yeah because at least i was in good

1077
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:04,000
company

1078
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,440
yeah

1079
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,960
no no no but

1080
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,880
it isn't nothing you did wrong or anyone

1081
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:11,280
else did wrong but people generally got

1082
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,079
duped by these people and yes i think

1083
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,359
everybody in this field knows that um

1084
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,760
and it's a shame so we feel for you

1085
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,280
genuinely you know i've had

1086
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,359
conversations with fellow colleagues

1087
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,760
about it and it's a shame but i guess it

1088
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,680
happens

1089
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,359
here and there

1090
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:31,440
and i just learned to not be so

1091
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,280
you know um i i never feel privileged or

1092
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,040
flattered i feel like i have an

1093
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:39,839
opportunity to get a voice out there

1094
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:40,800
because

1095
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,599
actually it was race hobbs on kgra that

1096
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,280
told me you don't do it they're going to

1097
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,760
find someone else not as credible and we

1098
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:50,079
saw that many times and

1099
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:51,599
um so

1100
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,720
i don't do everything um but

1101
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,920
i've learned to just be a little more

1102
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:57,760
discreet just like um

1103
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,960
uh seating um extraordinary the seating

1104
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,880
yeah i was actually associate producer

1105
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,200
on that and i also appear but i knew

1106
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,359
this production company and they were

1107
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,280
stand up so i knew the quality was going

1108
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,680
to be good and the content would

1109
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,440
so funny how it starts out one way and

1110
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:15,359
ended up a different way because we were

1111
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,880
actually working on the missing fetus

1112
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,960
syndrome and jack ross and i were

1113
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,800
writing a book about that and you know

1114
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,040
getting facts and doing our research and

1115
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:25,280
you know then it turned into this movie

1116
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,160
so

1117
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:27,680
i'm proud of that one

1118
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,319
definitely i'm hiding my head in shame

1119
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:32,400
no no no because like we like like i

1120
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,200
said

1121
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,040
you didn't know any better everyone else

1122
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,599
george nap everybody nobody knew what it

1123
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,200
was going to be so

1124
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,280
you know

1125
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,839
we spoke uh two conferences in a row uh

1126
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,200
the last time we were at congress

1127
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,520
together then we went to branson and

1128
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:50,240
worked the uh gen 6 conference

1129
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,520
right and

1130
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:53,680
they sold that whole theater out there

1131
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:56,800
were 3 000 people in that audience and

1132
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,240
live feed was over i think 16 000

1133
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,400
as it began it grew after that

1134
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:03,599
um

1135
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:04,839
that

1136
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:08,240
was george and i like i think like my

1137
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,920
profile not my profile picture but my

1138
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,160
banners and stuff like that it shows me

1139
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:13,839
on the stage george knapp took that for

1140
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,240
me like it shows me on the stage and it

1141
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,400
shows the crowd and i'm just like

1142
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,240
so grateful to him he's such a he is

1143
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,319
such a gentleman he's such a nice man

1144
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,960
and um i know he takes heat

1145
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:26,880
from even like chris mellon like well

1146
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,359
why are you giving it to these guys uh

1147
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,359
because he's been doing this when it

1148
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,599
wasn't cool like how many years he

1149
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:35,599
started out talking about ufos as a

1150
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,400
legit journalist um i think he deserves

1151
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,800
all of it so chase

1152
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,720
let me move it on a little bit to

1153
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,240
something that i like to ask most people

1154
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,760
that i interview and that is have you

1155
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,760
ever experienced anything for yourself

1156
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,920
whether it be a sighting an interaction

1157
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,640
or

1158
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:52,880
something that you can't explain

1159
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,400
oh yeah uh several times and um

1160
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,760
you know seeing things that aren't

1161
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:00,079
supposed to exist for as many times as

1162
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,440
i'm in the field i don't i don't

1163
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,839
investigate on a phone um i was bound to

1164
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:05,280
run into something i don't like it

1165
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,560
though i'll be honest with you i don't

1166
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,560
want to be part of the pro at the story

1167
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,119
i don't want to become a new witness but

1168
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,359
it's happened and probably the biggest

1169
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,680
one was 2010

1170
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:17,040
i was assigned

1171
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,720
a starting case um and it was

1172
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:21,920
in

1173
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:25,440
rural tennessee like totally

1174
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,119
like rural dirt roads you know miles

1175
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:31,760
between houses and farms and

1176
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,160
um but the witness uh reported seeing

1177
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,200
these orbs and these orange orbs and

1178
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,280
other things in the sky like things that

1179
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,440
come together and um

1180
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,760
and he even said that he and his cousins

1181
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,920
would chase them down these dirt roads

1182
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,440
well that caught my attention because

1183
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,359
what do you mean chase them so like

1184
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,040
they're moving and

1185
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,040
working these roads i'm like he's like

1186
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:55,200
absolutely i'm like okay so when can we

1187
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,240
come out

1188
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:58,720
unfortunately if i think it was a day

1189
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:00,319
before i was i was getting ready to go

1190
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:03,599
out there um they had an epic flood

1191
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,680
from nashville to memphis and everything

1192
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,240
was underwater so um we had to wait for

1193
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,400
the waters to recede even get there

1194
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,119
right so finally it did and i was

1195
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,119
scheduled to go out there on a saturday

1196
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,440
and he called on a thursday night he's

1197
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,640
like

1198
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,400
it's happening things are going on this

1199
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:24,079
is exactly what happens before the

1200
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,160
triangles get here i'm like triangles

1201
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,400
were mentioned triangles and so i'm like

1202
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,240
i'm on my way

1203
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,160
got off the phone grabbed my go bag kiss

1204
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,720
my husband grabbed a granola bar

1205
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,480
and thing of water and i went and i

1206
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,800
grabbed another star team investigator

1207
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,599
um

1208
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,000
and we go up to his house we pull up in

1209
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,880
the driveway and he's waiting there and

1210
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,319
we get out and immediately he's like

1211
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,720
come on come here he goes look up there

1212
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,400
so i'm looking and sure enough it took a

1213
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,640
minute you know for my eyes to adjust

1214
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,480
because there's no light pollution at

1215
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,960
all but then i start seeing like these

1216
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,480
little dots of lights and they're all

1217
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,400
like coming together and then they move

1218
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,800
in unison and then they all separate

1219
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,760
but

1220
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:08,079
if you got tired of watching that one

1221
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,119
turn around because there's another

1222
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,000
group here another group there it was

1223
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,040
bizarre so i'm on my tablet already

1224
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,560
trying to determine where's the

1225
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,319
satellites where the iss even though i

1226
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,319
knew this is not how they behave but i

1227
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:22,800
have to rule out usual suspects

1228
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:24,880
well all of a sudden the witness says

1229
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,640
hey i have a cornfield down there and

1230
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,200
you have a panoramic view and he goes

1231
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,599
you want to go there again right yeah

1232
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,359
sure we'll jump in your car we don't

1233
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:37,760
know you listen

1234
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:38,560
so

1235
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,359
we do and i'm setting up my table with

1236
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,200
all this equipment and he comes out this

1237
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,760
big old shotgun i'm just like

1238
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:47,680
he goes no chase he goes we have a

1239
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,839
problem with coyotes out here he goes

1240
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,760
this is in case they come and i said

1241
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:53,599
okay because if you're a serial killer

1242
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,510
so i'm setting up my equipment and all

1243
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,680
of a sudden literally he's like here it

1244
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:03,599
comes here it comes i knew it i knew it

1245
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:07,040
he's all excited because for him

1246
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:07,760
he

1247
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,000
investigators so sure enough i look and

1248
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,240
i it's a white light and it's like an

1249
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:18,160
orb and it's coming you know coming

1250
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,280
towards us

1251
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,880
two more pop up

1252
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:22,400
bing bing right

1253
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,040
and it's getting close and close and

1254
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,880
pretty soon i could start seeing that

1255
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,240
this structure

1256
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:29,920
it's a triangle they're not separate

1257
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:32,960
lights they're all on one vehicle and it

1258
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,400
just keeps moving and it just

1259
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,400
i'm picking up my cameras

1260
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:40,480
nothing's working like i thought it was

1261
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,520
battery drain um but everything was just

1262
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:45,839
shut off so i have four different

1263
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,680
cameras different makes and models you

1264
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,680
know i've got my trifield meter that's

1265
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,400
not working i'm picking up you know

1266
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,319
geiger counter wasn't working it was

1267
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,079
just everything was dead

1268
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,480
and now i'm mad because it's right there

1269
00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:00,400
right it's right there why can't i get a

1270
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,599
picture of this

1271
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,440
as the triangle is coming closer it

1272
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,079
doesn't change speed height direction

1273
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:07,680
it's just

1274
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:10,160
i i can't even describe how it moves it

1275
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,520
didn't flow and it wasn't flying it

1276
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,400
wasn't gliding it just is different and

1277
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,520
it's huge and it's intimidating because

1278
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,079
you feel like this big yeah and it's you

1279
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,480
know it just flies and you know i

1280
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:24,400
remember picking up a camera saying i'm

1281
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,079
gonna throw this effing thing like i'm

1282
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,800
so frustrated um

1283
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,480
it was just crazy and all we could do is

1284
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,480
just watch it continue and it just goes

1285
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,160
away

1286
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,079
well

1287
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:37,599
concerned about my equipment at this

1288
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:40,720
point i'm still frustrated so i what i

1289
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,839
did was i decided because everything's

1290
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,440
back online everything's working

1291
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,440
camera's back

1292
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:49,040
everything's back

1293
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,079
so

1294
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,839
whatever it was it just shut it off but

1295
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:53,119
yeah

1296
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:56,000
i wanted to change my batteries anyway

1297
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,280
just in case

1298
00:47:00,870 --> 00:47:00,000
so i'm taking the back off the trifield

1299
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:00,880
meter

1300
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,920
and all of a sudden i just said

1301
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,520
guys does anybody else feel like you're

1302
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:07,520
being watched and i don't mean from up

1303
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,280
there and it was honestly at that moment

1304
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,000
seriously it was physical and it was

1305
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,440
this panic it was this terror

1306
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:19,920
that just like all of a sudden every

1307
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:22,960
single cell in my body was on fire

1308
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:25,839
terror not fight or flight times it by a

1309
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,640
hundred and i just turned and i started

1310
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,480
running

1311
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,880
when i turned i saw the witness turn and

1312
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,200
he's running too like it was almost

1313
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:36,880
high-minded it was just

1314
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,599
you know so

1315
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,640
running

1316
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,079
and all i can see is this light and it's

1317
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,160
doing this it's right in front of me

1318
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,920
and all of a sudden boom i hit like a

1319
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,599
brick wall and it turned out to be the

1320
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,680
witness he stopped and of course the

1321
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,200
this was the flashlight he had in his

1322
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,480
head so as he's running you know

1323
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,870
all of a sudden he says what the f is

1324
00:48:03,109 --> 00:47:59,680
that

1325
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,119
and he has this big halogen

1326
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:05,760
flashlight and his left hand and he went

1327
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,640
like that and here's a little gray being

1328
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:10,400
not six feet from us

1329
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,680
one

1330
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,079
completely gray being and

1331
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,559
all of a sudden i just

1332
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:18,079
turned around started running again i

1333
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:25,829
so we get into his truck and we go back

1334
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,880
and we drive up to his driveway and once

1335
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,720
i got out

1336
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,480
the fear was gone i don't even know when

1337
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,960
it left it just wasn't there then

1338
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:36,000
and

1339
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,920
i'm just we get out nobody's saying

1340
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:39,599
anything at first

1341
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,960
i just remember like

1342
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,119
what just happened why did we run like

1343
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,359
you know there was a being there i got

1344
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,200
you know footprints there's like 100

1345
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,599
things you know that

1346
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:52,640
i could do

1347
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:53,680
and

1348
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,559
but

1349
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,640
we had now just become witnesses

1350
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:57,760
ourselves

1351
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,720
so the other investigator decided she i

1352
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,880
asked her to call our state director we

1353
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,040
have to report this get other people out

1354
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,119
we can't talk to each other because you

1355
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,800
know we can't compare stories that's not

1356
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,200
how it works and

1357
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,720
it was a witness

1358
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,800
and he literally came up to me he's like

1359
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,640
on his knee and he's just like oh my god

1360
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,480
chase thank you so much you saw that

1361
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,480
right i'm not crazy i'm like you're not

1362
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,119
crazy and he goes what was that and all

1363
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,200
i said was it was real

1364
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:27,680
i can't i can't compare stories

1365
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,720
so

1366
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,559
it took about

1367
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:32,000
30 minutes

1368
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,920
and we're right back in the field i i

1369
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,000
was just stumbling why did we run you

1370
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,920
know and some people say you know why'd

1371
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,839
you guys run away from an alien we

1372
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,280
didn't run away from an alien we

1373
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,960
actually ran straight to it if you want

1374
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,760
to know the truth you know and i just

1375
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:47,599
believe to this day

1376
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:50,000
you know we go out there i can see every

1377
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,920
step we took even where

1378
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,520
exactly where it happened because that's

1379
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:55,359
where like kind of scuffs from me

1380
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,640
hitting the witness and you know sure

1381
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,400
and there's nothing there's nothing

1382
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:03,200
there and i just i was so frustrated

1383
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,319
it's just

1384
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,640
oh it's like come on

1385
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,559
and

1386
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,920
yeah so

1387
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,839
they're the kind of cases where i mean

1388
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,920
i've spoken to quite a lot of people

1389
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,359
in the past

1390
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,920
few months and stuff um that doesn't

1391
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,280
sound like a lot but i've spoke to a lot

1392
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,280
of people in a short amount of time

1393
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:23,920
and you are coming from this

1394
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:26,960
background of science and

1395
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,440
proper investigations and you become a

1396
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,760
witness to something so incredible the

1397
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,680
kind of things that you've been

1398
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:35,599
looking into yourself and speaking to

1399
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,359
witnesses of and you've become one of

1400
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,520
them i mean that's where the real

1401
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,720
credibility really stands strong for me

1402
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,480
and i can almost feel it just listening

1403
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,960
to the way you say it that

1404
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,960
it's almost unbelievable

1405
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,720
what you're what you're seeing

1406
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,480
well in the whole way home i kept saying

1407
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,640
this is bs right

1408
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,480
like nobody gets everything in one night

1409
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,640
what the what the hell

1410
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,440
i just and i kept saying this well

1411
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:03,200
you know the uh the reason i always say

1412
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:04,720
the other investigator is i don't name

1413
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,280
her name because she was so

1414
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:09,280
traumatized by this

1415
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:10,240
event

1416
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,079
that it was i think it was like 10 days

1417
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,559
maybe two weeks later she gets up gets

1418
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,319
in her car and drives away she left her

1419
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,359
house her family her husband and like

1420
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,680
she just drove and no one knew where she

1421
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,040
was she was actually a missing person

1422
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:25,119
for a while and then they found her you

1423
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,880
know living in a a jeep or a van with a

1424
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:30,960
musician or something i don't know but

1425
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,040
um i don't know if this event

1426
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,359
triggered that kind of behavior

1427
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:37,119
but um

1428
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,720
you know i just wish her well and gave

1429
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,400
her the respect not to bring her name up

1430
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,400
on it anymore absolutely but it does it

1431
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,319
could well be a case of ptsd or

1432
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:45,920
something like that

1433
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,960
yeah absolutely and the witness doesn't

1434
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,640
he still wants to be confidential i'm

1435
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:52,720
hoping he comes out soon i think he will

1436
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,680
eventually yeah but he's a very

1437
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:57,920
very well-known sports figure let me

1438
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,480
just put it that way wow

1439
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,480
i don't follow the sport so i had no

1440
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,800
idea who this guy was

1441
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,640
but the other investigator did and she

1442
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,240
was freaking out when we pulled up in

1443
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,640
the driveway and i was like what

1444
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,640
i said i don't know where the holy is

1445
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:14,000
that's crazy

1446
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:15,359
so

1447
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:18,400
you know i had another big experience

1448
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,520
with chris bledsoe um where i have a

1449
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:23,280
team and we kind of in this little batch

1450
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,800
of woods and you know we're walking

1451
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:26,319
around and there's a little ditch and

1452
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:27,440
you come out and there should be the

1453
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,079
opening it's a little woods

1454
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:32,079
and we're we're like walking around in

1455
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,839
this thing in the ditch and out in the

1456
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,160
ditch i can't find the way out and this

1457
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:38,319
was going on for like 45 minutes it's a

1458
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,839
two-minute walk or probably five minutes

1459
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,760
all of a sudden we come up to the ditch

1460
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:45,440
we come out sure enough it's right there

1461
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:46,400
like there

1462
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,400
there's the end like how it's supposed

1463
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:50,960
to be so we finished the investigation

1464
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,000
um before we left though part of my team

1465
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,079
some of the guys were like feeling

1466
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,800
nauseated and couple felt dizzy and just

1467
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,359
like dis disoriented so we took a break

1468
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:03,760
for about five minutes

1469
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,319
three days later one of our evidence

1470
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,000
analyst that does a video because i

1471
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:10,480
always have a body cam on you know so

1472
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:13,520
hopefully catch him when i get and

1473
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:14,640
and he calls and says you're not going

1474
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:15,760
to like this chase because everyone

1475
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,000
knows i don't want i'll investigate i

1476
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,000
don't i don't want any part of it like

1477
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,480
don't take me away like you don't need

1478
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:24,000
to scare me out of a field because we

1479
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:25,200
weren't supposed to be there whatever

1480
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,720
was going on in that cornfield we

1481
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:28,960
weren't supposed to be there like just

1482
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,599
tell me to leave i'll be like okay

1483
00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:32,880
i'm the one that goes into a haunted

1484
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:35,150
house they say get out i'm like okay

1485
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:39,040
[Laughter]

1486
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,480
but um

1487
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:42,400
yeah and he just said all three helmet

1488
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,280
cams are missing eight minutes so

1489
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:47,040
i call chris bledsoe and he's like oh i

1490
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:47,920
know

1491
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,680
he's he's so legit but yeah he all that

1492
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,920
high strangeness stuff he's he's so used

1493
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:03,920
to me it's nuts and bolts you know i'm

1494
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,240
picking up soil samples people i'm not

1495
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,960
supposed to be missing time sure exactly

1496
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,400
and that's

1497
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,640
that's what really grabs me when you get

1498
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,480
people that are very nuts and bolts

1499
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,400
investigators i'm very nuts and bolts

1500
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,640
myself and it crosses into that high

1501
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:20,800
strangeness and

1502
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,280
there's no explanation you just cannot

1503
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,079
put your finger on what it is i think

1504
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,319
i think we're seeing that a lot more in

1505
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,720
the last year or two and i think that's

1506
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,240
the direction personally i think that's

1507
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,240
the direction we're going in with

1508
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,559
the whole subject that if everything is

1509
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,400
combining into one

1510
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,799
big thing that we're yet to

1511
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,359
grasp and fully understand

1512
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,599
and in a way that's kind of exciting

1513
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,520
yeah you're right vinnie because all the

1514
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,599
nuts and bolts in the world has really

1515
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,440
brought a lot to the table like you know

1516
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,839
physical evidence things like this but

1517
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:55,680
it's all coming down to

1518
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,920
consciousness

1519
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,359
and

1520
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,319
dimensions i believe you know absolutely

1521
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:04,000
yeah i don't think it has to be just one

1522
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,079
or the other is it angels and demons or

1523
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,400
is it aliens it's like maybe it's all of

1524
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,480
it yeah maybe foot does come out of a

1525
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,319
portal and you know where he comes from

1526
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,160
he's not a big dumb animal right it's

1527
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,040
like absolutely yeah so it's you know i

1528
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:19,440
think it's an exciting time but um i

1529
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:20,799
continue with the scientific

1530
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,440
investigation but it is consciousness

1531
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,920
and dimensions that that's my conclusion

1532
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,920
and my personal like i science doesn't

1533
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,920
care what we believe so it's why i

1534
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:32,000
continue on with that but that's my

1535
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,119
belief

1536
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,000
i it mirrors exactly what i've been

1537
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,400
telling all my followers and colleagues

1538
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:40,480
that recently my whole perspective has

1539
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,440
shifted

1540
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:43,200
because the nuts and bolts have only

1541
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,040
taken me so far

1542
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:47,200
now now i'm at a dead end i need to then

1543
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,000
move into that new realm that new aspect

1544
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,920
of consciousness and the high

1545
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,599
strangeness and things and i believe

1546
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,599
that is where i'm going to get the end

1547
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,760
of my conclusion which would be full

1548
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,760
disclosure and all of that but i'm

1549
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,240
having to delve outside of my comfort

1550
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,480
zone and the decade of research that

1551
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,720
i've done has now become something

1552
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,799
a place that i never thought i'd end up

1553
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,200
but i have to in here and you see

1554
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:13,040
richard dolan's talking consciousness

1555
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,559
and linda was the first one to really

1556
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:16,880
come out i don't always agree with

1557
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,920
everything illegal says or whatever but

1558
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,839
my respect for her is like through the

1559
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,480
roof i mean you know again she was she

1560
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,400
was a trailblazer for a lot of women not

1561
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:28,000
to be afraid to stand our ground and say

1562
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,119
i don't think so you know so um

1563
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,119
but yeah i think most people are getting

1564
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,200
to that point because that's where the

1565
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,119
evidence is showing us this is where it

1566
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,040
goes um

1567
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:41,359
it's yeah it's kind of a big deal

1568
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,559
it is disclosure when people say

1569
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:46,160
we're ready for disclosure just to put

1570
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:47,599
it out there the government needs to say

1571
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:53,829
could be a little short-minded or

1572
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,079
short-sighted because

1573
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,160
we've been doing this for how long and

1574
00:57:02,069 --> 00:57:00,079
you know now how do you explain

1575
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,079
consciousness because it's not

1576
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,400
necessarily you know e.t coming here on

1577
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,640
a full tank of gas and a red bull right

1578
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:08,799
so that would be easy that would be an

1579
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,040
easy disclosure but it's more than that

1580
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:12,720
how are we going to explain to the world

1581
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,200
population that abduction's rail

1582
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:17,040
they could take you

1583
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,480
and they have been

1584
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,000
how do you you don't think that's going

1585
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:21,920
to scare people what about the 12 year

1586
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,400
old that hears it or the eight-year-old

1587
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:26,880
little girl or guy or you know or

1588
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,599
grandma or you know so it's bigger than

1589
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:30,880
just saying

1590
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:33,440
ufos are real because everything else is

1591
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,359
real as well so

1592
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:38,480
is this a drip and a slow disclosure i

1593
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:54,470
this available

1594
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,440
so

1595
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,520
you know it's just

1596
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,960
i think we have to think of that bigger

1597
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,119
picture and so what happens if we say oh

1598
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:04,000
yeah now there's portals and you know

1599
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,920
bigfoot's been seen coming out of it by

1600
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,640
very very credible scientist and you

1601
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,200
know i i just

1602
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:13,359
i think even the just just talking about

1603
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,400
the abductions as part of disclosure

1604
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,799
that's enough to scare so many people

1605
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:20,240
and

1606
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,119
yeah

1607
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:23,040
i agree completely i think we're at this

1608
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:24,559
stage where

1609
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,160
the process has begun of disclosure

1610
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:30,000
but it's early days it's it we're at the

1611
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,599
starting line

1612
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,359
and it is it's a good

1613
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:35,680
progression forwards but it does then

1614
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,400
mean

1615
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,559
a lot more is coming and we've got to

1616
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,079
play it out we've got to wait it out

1617
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:42,319
we've got to research more and it does

1618
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,799
take people like me and you to then go

1619
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:46,559
from our nuts and bolts and shift our

1620
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:49,599
paradigm completely to accept that this

1621
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,160
could be something completely different

1622
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:54,240
and way out way out of our expectations

1623
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,119
of where we've worked from to to now

1624
00:59:02,630 --> 00:58:59,680
it's a new step and a new direction

1625
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:02,640
yeah absolutely didn't see this coming

1626
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:03,680
certainly

1627
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,720
government insiders and cia personnel

1628
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,640
coming out and being the ones to open

1629
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:09,839
this you know

1630
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:12,799
absolutely open this wide open and

1631
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:14,319
to me it was

1632
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,440
looking back

1633
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,119
it's the only way it was going to be

1634
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,160
credible in a way i think ufologists

1635
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:22,079
have almost been fired you know they're

1636
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:23,520
not calling

1637
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,440
you know they're calling louis elizondo

1638
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:30,160
and chris mellon and you know it's just

1639
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:31,599
you know they've kind of taken the reins

1640
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:32,960
of this

1641
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,200
am i insulted no what do i do hey lou

1642
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:39,760
how can i help what can i do to help you

1643
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:42,160
you know and that's that's where

1644
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,079
you know the egos have got to go yeah

1645
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:46,720
you know like i don't care who

1646
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:49,280
gets this out it's out and i'm so

1647
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:50,799
thankful for that because i honestly

1648
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:53,839
vinnie never thought in my lifetime i

1649
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,079
would see this happen and now that it is

1650
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:58,400
i'm so grateful we have a report that

1651
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:01,119
yeah you know a little disappointing not

1652
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:04,319
too surprised but we have a report that

1653
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,000
says we can't rule out ufos so i just

1654
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:10,480
to me this is like huge and

1655
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:12,880
you know and that's my thing now so

1656
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,599
what am i doing for work these days

1657
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:17,440
really supporting and seeing what i can

1658
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:20,079
i can follow up and help you know the

1659
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:21,839
guys that really do have the football

1660
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,960
and are running you know the

1661
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,559
quarterbacks running down the field you

1662
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:26,240
know they need tight ends they need you

1663
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:27,920
know whatever other things they have

1664
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:29,599
there in football but

1665
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:30,400
you know

1666
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,799
it takes a team and yeah um it's not

1667
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,720
gonna be one person and you know i don't

1668
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,880
have to lead i'm more than happy to you

1669
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,960
know what do you need i'll i'll call and

1670
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:40,400
make appointments i'll do you know what

1671
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,359
do you need so that's what i'm doing now

1672
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,680
amazing that's so good

1673
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:47,200
well listen chase i feel like we could

1674
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,880
do another hour of this so what i will

1675
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,319
put to you right now is that maybe

1676
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,319
you'll come back in a few weeks months

1677
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,160
and that and we'll do this again maybe

1678
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,400
we'll get some other people to join us

1679
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:58,240
yeah we'll we'll do a big panel

1680
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,359
discussion

1681
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:02,240
uh anytime i love your show i i adore

1682
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:04,720
you and it's like anything i'll be here

1683
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,760
i'll be there

1684
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,640
i mean

1685
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,400
that hits home chase coming from you it

1686
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:10,079
really does mean the world to me like i

1687
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:11,200
said

1688
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:11,920
for

1689
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,720
i know you don't like to be the one in

1690
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:18,480
the eye but it's your work that me

1691
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:21,200
really does the job you are still as a

1692
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,480
person

1693
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,400
so important to me

1694
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:27,359
and people like me that are new uh newer

1695
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,040
to the subject let's say

1696
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,720
thank you so much thank you i cannot

1697
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:32,319
thank you enough for joining me today

1698
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:33,520
and

1699
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,720
yeah you better believe i will be

1700
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,240
hitting you up for something in the in a

1701
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:38,079
few in a few weeks or months time

1702
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:39,440
because i think

1703
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:40,079
yeah

1704
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,880
like panels and stuff let's do a panel i

1705
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:44,880
i have not done a i've done one panel

1706
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,960
and i felt that that was amazing and to

1707
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,480
have you on a panel

1708
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:50,640
incredible so let's make that happen

1709
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:52,960
we'll talk behind the scenes but for now

1710
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,440
chase thank you so much for sharing your

1711
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:57,839
story with me and joining me

1712
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,240
until the next yeah and so guys thank

1713
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,400
you everyone for watching right now and

1714
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:04,319
i appreciate you all for the continued

1715
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,160
support it means the world to me and i